Hi,

Could you please let me know how often you get a "NAN" result?
I'm little confused because 9 of my last 16 games appears as "NAN", so it's about 47% of them.
Although all these games are counted as my wins but I'm a little bit disappointed because I'm sure I would win them anyway.

BTW, what you see in your "finished games" tab when your opponent surrenders? Maybe that's the clue?

When the opponent surrenders, it should say "Opponent Surrendered" on it...can't really help you much with the NAN thing though.

Thanks for your prompt answer. I haven't seen the "opponent surrenderd" result yet and I'm still convinced that the NAN happens much too often to me.

One more thing:
I found somewhere in the forum a link to "Overall Averaged Glicko Ratings":
http://www.massiveassault.com/clans/nwo/allratings2.php
I think it's a really great page, but when I checked my games there I found that one of my games which I lost (that time I surrendered) is not listed there.

NAN means that this battle was finished as draw (your opponent sent message to support about bug in battle). Ordinary, broken battles could be less than 1% of games, but if players have different version (for example, latest patch and without any patch) it could be more often.

One percent of broken games is not a problem at all, but 47% is too annoying to be acceptable. I would call the game unplayable if it crashed on every second game.
Fortunately, It seems that NAN not only indicates crashed games, but it can also indicate that my opponent surrendered.

I asked one of my opponents about two games which show up to me as NAN, and he confirmed (many thanks Nik!) that he surrendered them and both the games show up as "Surrendered" in his "Finished Games" tab.
I think, it's hard to call it draw

I checked replayes of the rest of my NAN games which I found. In each of these games I had an advantage, in some of them the advantage was significant (e.g. balans 229%, 260% as PL, 47% as FNU), so I suppose, or rather, I hope that there are more of my NAN games which were not crashed but surrendered.

I'm using MA pl + ma_pl_patch_1.1.191.exe
BTW, I would really appreciate a new patch.

you better use 204 patch for multiplayer

I was using 1.2.204 before, but after some crashes I installed 1.1.191 and I found it much more stable. For example one of my games crashed when I was using 1.2.204. I reinstalled the whole game + path 1.2.204 and... it didn't help.
After that I reinstalled the game and patched with 1.1.191 and the game became playable again.
So I think I will rather stay by patch 1.1.191 waiting for a new one, even though I feel I have to be patient

I'm trying to investigate where is your lost battle in Glicko rating. Could you give me the battle number for that lost battle (where you surrendered)?

Certainly. It was the game No. 27315 against GRUBY.

There is a problem of MA-MAN version compatibility. You opponent has surrended but you see it as NAN. Anyway, the result of this game will be you victory. I think it will be ok when you setup last patch or will begin play by MAN.

pancernik, your Glicko rating statistics fixed. Thank you for bug report.

You are welcome. I'm glad you found my report - I think I should have put it as a separate topic.


After this second vote for 1.2.204 I installed the latest patch. I'm curious to see if it solves my problem and I hope it will not cause too many other problems instead.

Thank you all for your help.